A conversation on the DC WW MB. Q's from fans are in blue; A's from Kurt Busiek are in black.

[regarding a character who some thought was Trevor Barnes, depicted as a domestic abuser.] That was in #19, I think, early on in the altered timeline. That wasn't Trevor Barnes -- didn't actually look anything like him. He was a heavyset construction worker, to boot, not a UN humanitarian.

I suppose he could have been an altered Trevor Barnes, since we never did give him a last name, but it would be an altering beyond any recognition.

Kurt Busiek keeps saying that big changes are ahead (though he doesn't say why they weren't done during Trinity instead of having us wait through endless battle repetitions instead of advancing the purpose of the the series) (if indeed that was the purpose and not the excuse) (I'm still not sure what the answer to "Why Trinity?" is) and that he can't say anything about them yet. [Hey! I think this was my comment!]

That's not quite what I keep saying, no.

The changes that came about due to TRINITY largely happened during TRINITY. When people ask me what's going to come of the final two-page epilogue, I tell them there's stuff coming, but I can't say what it is.

The purpose of the series was to tell the story we told, not to make continuity changes. Some continuity changes occurred, but weren't the purpose of the series, they were ancillary to it -- had the purpose of the book been to bring Tomorrow Woman back to life, we certainly went the long way around The epilogue sets up something new that'll be explored elsewhere, but that wasn't the purpose of the series either, any more than the purpose of JLA/AVENGERS was to create the Cosmic Egg in the first place.

Trinity falls during a time when the Tim T. romance is just getting underway (though they did some heavy backpedaling about that at the end; apparently the staff originally thought things were a LOT hotter than they were in the WW title) ...

Really? Where?

I think if you go back and look, you'll see that it's presented as "just getting underway" throughout. It's a new development when Diana and Etta talk about it early on, Tresser says they were just starting to get to know one another in the Eggworld sequence, and the ending doesn't contradict or roll back any of that.

Etta makes some jokes about kinky sex games, and Tresser fantasizes about passionate kissing when he's being told of the relationship but doesn't actually remember anything about it, but neither of those are actual descriptions of their relationship. Alfred describes Tresser as having won Diana's love, I think, which may be what you're thinking of -- but that was because I didn't have a strong sense of what Alfred could be expected to know about the relationship (even if his memories are fully returned, anything he'd know would be third-hand at best), so I figured he'd deliberately oversell it.

But nothing said by anyone who's in a position to know the details of their relationship ever says or does anything that implies more than they're at a beginning. Unless they wound up never so much as going out on a date at all, in which case yeah, we were misinformed. But I don't think we said anything "hotter" than that they were going out and it might become something.

Thus, it probably happened in the WW timeline just before the current arc.

It happened around the time in the DCU that the series began, more or less. After the courtship ritual in the hospital (which we showed in flashback) but not that long after. During the period the JLA line-up was what it was shown to be, starting when the Red Tornado was damaged and hooked up to the JLA computers, and including the period shortly thereafter when he was repaired.

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August 2008-May 2009. Kurt Busiek—writer; Mark Bagley—artist; with Fabian Nicieza—writer; and others on the art chores; Mike Carlin—editor

 

(Don't confuse this with the 2003 Trinity mini-series.)

Think of it: 52 weekly issues of full-sized comic book devoted solely to Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, and written by a guy who not only knows his stuff, but can write a pretty mean story and who doesn't write female charactesr as mere sex candy or fainting femmes!

I was more than a little stoked by it all and signed up for the title at my local comics shop. I think I may have been the only one still hanging on by the end of things. I still had hopes that Something Important would happen.

At this time DC was shoving a whole bunch of faux Crises at us, beginning with one in which we learned just how depraved most of the cape crowd was, and got to watch lots of terrible shock violence. Follow ups to this series involved much, much more shock violence. Writers promised us that there was a plan, that this was the dark midnight from which a light would appear. The phoenix-like DCU would be a place of brightness and heroicism.

Fail!

the cover to Trinity #21But Trinity, I thought, might do the job because I believed in Kurt Busiek. Fifty-two issues. Twenty-two pages per issue. That's 1144 pages. And about $167.00 spent. How many trees is that?

Well, let's get to the synopsis, shall we? Or you can check Wiki for a more detailed one, if you have an entire bottle of aspirin ready.

The first few issues go to great pains to tell us what positions each hero fits: the alien, the demi-god, the man of shadows; a detective, a warrior, a savior; sun, moon and earth; that kind of thing. They are presented as a Holy Trinity, the force that holds the world together. When they appear, other capes can stand at ease. All hail! All worship!

It was ironic that during all of this in another title, Batman crowed over the fact that he was no god. Apparently he wasn't reading Trinity.

Nemesis remembers he and Diana having a hot affair, though at this point they didn't.We meet the various foes and allies. On the foe side is another trinity: Morgaine le Fay, Enigma (the Earth-3 version of Riddler, a man who wants to remake the universe so his family won't be killed) and Despero. To become gods they must unseat the heroic Trinity. They find that to do so they must gather a whole mess of MacGuffins, which involves a whole slew of heroes and villains to seek and fight over them.

We get new faces, like Konvikt and his mouthpiece, Graak, who produce general mindless mayhem amid broad fight scenes. Then there is eternally-whining Tarot and her friend, Gangbuster. The book splits to get a back-up of other heroes in stories that relate to the main one.

Then, of course, as all Big DC Stories do, they drag out Krona. He's a proto-Guardian of the Universe, a bad guy. Last we saw, this guy who had interfered with the creation of the universe had been locked in a cosmic egg.

Each of our Trinity is branded by the MacGuffins and the spell is released: an alternate reality is created. No one remembers them, and they never existed... on Earth. But Despero is really Kanjar Ro in disguise, and this upsets the spell. Konvikt now replaces Despero to try the spell again.

Donna Troy as a mousy, bespectacled librarian.Let's see... Capes fight, more capes fight... Fight, fight, fight... A group of altered versions of people we're familiar with (among them, Donna Troy as a librarian, since she was never Diana's protegee) (and oh yeah, Nemesis), who seem to recall a different reality, discover a world of medieval-style aliens who once worshipped our Trinity as gods. This world is the world inside Krona's egg, from which he has now escaped. Thousands of years—perhaps more—have passed there.

Diana as a goddess with bad fashion senseOur altered-people group convince the gods of who they once were, and back on Earth discover that the new Trinity—Morgaine especially—is destroying reality. Fight, fight, fight. fight some more. Capes battle just to see how many capes can fit on a page. Our Trinity finally get off their butts and fight Morgaine, and reshape reality so things wind up same as they ever were. Krona is tucked back inside his egg.

Except one or two very minor charcters are now conveniently alive again. Tomorrow Woman appeared for a very short while years before in JLA, but is brought back not as an android, but a human being. Unfortunately, her lame-o secret ID is maintained instead of changed to something better. (Anything would be.)

cover to Trinity 37.Up to the very end I thought that this final reshaping of the DCU would be another Crisis-like event. At the same time over in another Crisis, Superman was reshaping the DCU with the Miracle Machine. This also brought about a net effect of zero.

What does it take? I mean, Trinity had alternate universe upon alternate universe, a chance to update things, streamline mythoses, clean the place up. Fifty-two issues. Twenty-two pages per issue.

Entire reason for this maxi-series? You got me. Oh wait—to make money for DC.

Net repercussions within the DCU: zero.

Fail. Sigh.

 

 

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